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CERD/C/SR.983
25 March 1993


Original: ENGLISH
Summary record of the 983rd meeting : . 25/03/93.
CERD/C/SR.983. (Summary Record)

Convention Abbreviation: CERD
COMMITTEE ON THE ELIMINATION OF RACIAL DISCRIMINATION


Forty-second session


PROVISIONAL SUMMARY RECORD OF THE 983rd MEETING


Held at the Palais des Nations, Geneva,
on Thursday, 18 March 1993, at 3 p.m.


Chairman: Mr. VALENCIA RODRIGUEZ


CONTENTS

Consideration of reports, comments and information submitted by States parties under article 9 of the Convention (continued)

Organization of work (continued)

Submission of reports by States parties under article 9, paragraph 1, of the Convention (continued)


The meeting was called to order at 3.10 p.m.

CONSIDERATION OF REPORTS, COMMENTS AND INFORMATION SUBMITTED BY STATES PARTIES UNDER ARTICLE 9 OF THE CONVENTION (agenda item 4) (continued)

Draft concluding observations concerning reports of States parties (continued)

Draft concluding observations concerning the ninth and tenth periodic reports of Algeria (continued) (CERD/C/209/Add.4)

1. Mr. DIACONU proposed that the following words should be added at the end of paragraph 2: "while expressing its concern about the difficulties of the present situation in Algeria". In paragraph 3, the words "ethnic communities" should be replaced by the words "ethnic and racial groups, including blacks". The following words should be added at the end of paragraph 4: "and the social benefits provided for in article 5 of the Convention".

2. Mr. de GOUTTES proposed that, in paragraph 3, the words "including blacks" should be amended to read: "in particular Berbers and blacks".

3. The CHAIRMAN said that he took it that the Committee adopted the amendments proposed by Mr. Diaconu and Mr. de Gouttes.

4. It was so decided.

5. The draft concluding observations concerning the ninth and tenth periodic reports of Algeria, as amended, were adopted.

Draft concluding observations concerning the seventh periodic report of the Central African Republic (CERD/C/117/Add.5)

6. Mrs. SADIQ ALI submitted the following draft concluding observations concerning the Central African Republic:

7. The draft concluding observations concerning the seventh periodic report of the Central African Republic were adopted.

8. Mr. WOLFRUM read out the following draft concluding observations concerning Ecuador:

9. The draft concluding observations concerning the eleventh and twelfth periodic reports of Ecuador were adopted.

Draft concluding observations concerning the eighth periodic report of Qatar (CERD/C/207/Add.1)

10. Mrs. SADIQ ALI submitted the following draft concluding observations concerning Qatar:

11. Mr. FERRERO COSTA suggested that paragraph 3 should be amended to reflect the Committee's view that racial discrimination existed in all countries.

12. Mr. YUTZIS said he supported that suggestion and proposed that paragraph 3 should also reflect the State party's claim that racial discrimination did not exist. As to the second sentence of paragraph 4, the Committee had not sought clarification of the criteria by which a Shariah court would determine an appropriate punishment, but had expressed its concern about such criteria being used to apply the law.

13. Mr. BANTON said that, in paragraph 3, it would be enough to delete the words "or no". The one piece of evidence the Committee had found had been the rules which related to the employment of an Arab legal counsel and which some members had considered discriminatory.

14. Mr. WOLFRUM said that a further piece of evidence had been found in the Nationality Law, under which a naturalized citizen had to wait 10 years before being considered for employment in public service.

15. The CHAIRMAN suggested that Mrs. Sadiq Ali should submit a revised text at a later stage, in the light of the comments made.

16. It was so decided.

Draft concluding observations concerning the eighth periodic report of Sudan (CERD/C/222/Add.1)

17. Mr. BANTON read out the following draft concluding observations concerning Sudan:

18. Mr. FERRERO COSTA suggested that the following new sentence should be added between the first and second sentences of paragraph 1: "The Committee expressed its deep concern at the serious human rights violations in Sudan".

19. He also suggested that the following sentence should be added at the end of paragraph 2: "The Committee called upon the Government to comply with the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination".

20. Lastly, he suggested that the date in paragraph 4 should be changed to 31 July 1993, as Sudan represented an extreme case of human rights violations and there was no reason why the Committee should wait until January 1994 for further information.

21. Mr. DIACONU said that the proposed new wording for paragraph 2 gave the impression that the Committee was making a judgement, and that might jeopardize the dialogue with the Government of Sudan. The date in paragraph 4 should be left as it stood in order to allow more time for improvements in the situation.

22. Mr. FERRERO COSTA said that he would not object if the amendment he had proposed to paragraph 2 was worded more tactfully, but he would insist on an earlier deadline, especially as the Committee did not know whether it would be able to meet in January 1994.

23. Mr. YUTZIS asked why the date of 31 January 1994 had been chosen.

24. The Committee had suggested that the representative of Sudan might inform the authorities of his country that the advisory services of the Centre for Human Rights were available for assistance in the preparation of their next report. That position should be reflected in paragraph 4.

25. Mr. SHAHI said that he agreed with Mr. Diaconu's position on the date of 31 January 1994, but would not object if it was changed to 31 July 1993.

26. With regard to paragraph 2, he proposed that the sentence suggested by Mr. Ferrero Costa should be replaced by the following: "The Committee requests the Government to ensure the harmonization of Sudan's national legislation, regulations and practices with the provisions of the Convention and their effective implementation".

27. Mr. de GOUTTES said that he supported Mr. Shahi's proposal concerning paragraph 2. As far as paragraph 4 was concerned, he could accept the date of 31 July 1993, but he was aware that it might give rise to problems. The words "by 31 January 1994 at the latest" might therefore be adopted as a compromise solution. He agreed with the proposal made by Mr. Yutzis with regard to paragraph 4.

28. Mr. BANTON said that he agreed with the amendment to paragraph 2 suggested by Mr. Shahi and proposed that the wording Mr. de Gouttes had suggested for paragraph 4 should be amended to read: "as soon as possible, but not later than 31 January 1994". He also supported the proposal by Mr. Yutzis regarding the offer of the assistance of the advisory services of the Centre for Human Rights in the preparation of Sudan's next report.

29. The draft concluding observations concerning the eighth periodic report of Sudan, as amended, were adopted.

Draft concluding observations concerning the eleventh and twelfth periodic reports of Ukraine (CERD/C/197/Add.5 and CERD/C/226/Add.3)

30. Mr. RECHETOV read out the original version of the draft concluding observations concerning Ukraine:

He then read out the revised version of the same text:

31. Mr. FERRERO COSTA said that the revised text was generally satisfactory. He was not altogether clear as to the meaning of the words "together with recognition of the inviolability and integrity of existing frontiers" at the end of paragraph 2. As the Committee normally did not refer to such issues in its concluding observations, those words should be deleted.

32. Mr. SHAHI said that the revised text was acceptable. However, he was not sure whether it had been appropriate to replace the words "situation in Crimea" in the last sentence of paragraph 2 by the words "existing situation of unrest". In drafting its concluding observations, the Committee should follow a uniform practice in referring to specific regions.

33. Mr. de GOUTTES said that the fact that the consideration of Ukraine's report had been particularly rich should be reflected in the Committee's concluding observations. In his view, the fourth sentence of paragraph 2 of the original version of the text should not have been deleted because it reflected one of the most important concluding remarks made by the representative of Ukraine. That sentence should either have been retained as it stood or amended to read: "The Committee's attention was drawn in particular to the statement that a solution to ethnic conflicts lay in an improvement in the economic situation and in political stabilization".

34. Mr. RECHETOV said he agreed with Mr. de Gouttes that the fourth sentence of paragraph 2 of the original text was very important and should be retained. He also took note of Mr. Shahi's comments on the replacement of the words "situation in Crimea" by the words "existing situations of unrest" and recalled that, during the consideration of Ukraine's report, specific reference had been made to unrest in Crimea and in another region, which was not part of Ukraine. It had thus been decided not to refer to that latter region in the concluding observations. If the Committee wished, he could agree that, in paragraph 2, the words "recognition of the inviolability and integrity of existing frontiers" should be deleted, even though such recognition was of vital importance to the situation in Crimea.

35. Mr. GARVALOV said that he was in favour of retaining what had been the fourth sentence of paragraph 2 in the original version. In the first sentence of paragraph 3, the word "expressed" should be replaced by the word "clarified". In the second sentence of that paragraph, the word "demanded" should be replaced by the word "asked".

36. Mr. DIACONU said that the question of the inviolability and integrity of existing frontiers was closely linked to ensuring respect for the rights of ethnic minorities and was consequently of great importance to the countries of eastern Europe. He proposed that, in the last sentence of paragraph 2, the words "together with recognition of the inviolability and integrity of existing frontiers" should be replaced by the words "together with respect for the inviolability of frontiers and the territorial integrity of States".

37. Mr. LAMPTEY said that, on the whole, the draft text was acceptable. He proposed that, in the third sentence of paragraph 2 of the revised text, the words "situation in Crimea" should be replaced by the words "situation in the area". In the last sentence of the paragraph, the words "together with recognition of the inviolability and integrity of existing frontiers" should be deleted, since the issue was a political one that went beyond the scope of the Committee's mandate.

38. The draft concluding observations concerning the eleventh and twelfth periodic reports of Ukraine, as amended, were adopted.

Draft concluding observations concerning the eighth periodic report of Qatar

(CERD/C/207/Add.1)

39. Mrs. SADIQ ALI, noting that paragraphs 3 and 4 had been amended, read out the revised text of the draft concluding observations concerning Qatar:

40. Mr. SHAHI said that, during its consideration of the report of Qatar, the Committee had requested further information about the dual system of Shariah courts and civil courts. The words "was concerned about" in the second sentence of paragraph 4 were thus too strong.

41. Mr. BANTON suggested that the original wording of that sentence should be used. The words "The Committee was concerned about" would be replaced by the words "It sought clarification as to".

42. The draft concluding observations concerning the eighth periodic report of Qatar, as amended, were adopted.

Draft concluding observations concerning the fifth, sixth and seventh periodic reports of Jamaica (CERD/C/117/Add.4)

43. Mrs. SADIQ ALI read out the following revised text of the draft concluding observations concerning Jamaica:

44. The draft concluding observations concerning the fifth, sixth and seventh periodic reports of Jamaica, as amended, were adopted.

Draft concluding observations concerning the fourth periodic report of Chad (CERD/C/114/Add.2)

45. Mr. de GOUTTES read out the following draft concluding observations concerning Chad:

46. The draft concluding observations concerning the fourth periodic report of Chad were adopted.

Draft concluding observations concerning the initial report of Mozambique (CERD/C/111/Add.1)

47. Mrs. SADIQ ALI submitted the following draft concluding observations:

48. Mr. FERRERO COSTA said that, as in the case of other concluding observations, mention should be made of the fact that Mozambique had failed to submit a report since 1984. He proposed that, in paragraph 1, the words "had not submitted a report since its initial report in 1984 and" should be inserted after the words "the Committee regretted that Mozambique". In his view, the wording of paragraph 2 was not forceful enough; he therefore proposed that the words "its deep concern at the serious human rights violations in Mozambique" should be added after the words "the Committee expressed". He would also like the following wording, which was similar to that included in the concluding observations concerning Sudan, to be added at the end of paragraph 2: "It requested the Government to ensure the harmonization of Mozambique's national legislation, regulations and practices with the provisions of the Convention and their effective implementation".

49. Mr. DIACONU said that the cases of Sudan and Mozambique were different. The Committee knew for certain that ethnic problems existed in Sudan. In Mozambique, however, it was not clear that there actually was an ethnic or racial problem. He had no objection to the proposal that a reference should be added to the Committee's concern about the serious human rights violations in Mozambique; nevertheless, the Committee was not bound to make such a general statement, which was really the province of other human rights bodies.

50. In considering the report of Sudan, the Committee had been able to determine and to make the observation that there was a need for that country to ensure that its policies were harmonized with the provisions of the Convention. Since Mozambique had not been present during the consideration of its report, the Committee could not be sure that the Government did need to harmonize its policies in that manner.

51. Mr. FERRERO COSTA said that he was willing to withdraw his proposal for the addition of the words "It requested the Government to ensure the harmonization of Mozambique's national legislation, regulations and practices with the provisions of the Convention and their effective implementation". Instead, he proposed that the first sentence of paragraph 1 should be redrafted to read: "In concluding the review, the Committee regretted that Mozambique had not submitted a report since its initial report in 1984 and had not been able to respond to its invitation to participate in the meeting and to furnish relevant information with regard to the application of the Convention".

52. The draft concluding observations concerning the initial report of Mozambique, as amended, were adopted.

Draft concluding observations concerning the twelfth periodic report of Poland (CERD/C/226/Add.2)

53. Mr. WOLFRUM submitted the draft concluding observations concerning Poland:

54. Mr. de GOUTTES suggested that the following words should be added at the end of paragraph 2: "and for full information on the situation of ethnic groups".

55. Mr. FERRERO COSTA suggested that the full title of the Convention should be given in the first sentence of paragraph 3.

56. The draft concluding observations concerning the twelfth periodic report of Poland, as amended, were adopted.

ORGANIZATION OF WORK (continued)

57. Mr. BANTON said that the country rapporteurs had met to discuss ways of improving the Committee's concluding observations and had prepared the following statement:

58. The country rapporteurs had considered that the Committee's concluding observations should be more substantial so that they would be in line with those of other treaty bodies. The Committee would still have complete control over their content. He suggested that the arrangement should be tried out at the next session and then reviewed.

59. Mr. DIACONU said that the staff member of the Centre for Human Rights would draft the concluding observations for the Committee's consideration, rather than on its behalf. He was also not sure to whom the country rapporteurs' statement was addressed: was it intended for the Centre for Human Rights? In any event, he thought that the proposal it contained was a very good one.

60. Mr. FERRERO COSTA and Mr. GARVALOV said that they agreed with the proposal.

61. Mr. de GOUTTES, Mr. YUTZIS and Mr. WOLFRUM said that they agreed with the proposal and expressed their appreciation for the hard work the Secretariat had done in helping to prepare the concluding observations.

62. The CHAIRMAN said that the Committee seemed to agree that it should request the Centre for Human Rights to assign an extra staff member to draft concluding observations for its consideration at the Committee's next session. If the Committee agreed, a decision to that effect would be prepared.

63. It was so decided.

SUBMISSION OF REPORTS BY STATES PARTIES UNDER ARTICLE 9, PARAGRAPH 1, OF THE CONVENTION (continued)

Draft general recommendation on article 9 of the Convention (CERD/C/1993/Misc.3)

64. Mr. DIACONU said that the draft recommendation, which had been discussed at the Committee's 981st meeting, was intended to remind States parties that, under article 9 of the Convention, they were obliged to report on the situation in their own territory. The last paragraph provided that, if they wished to refer to the situation in other States parties, they should invoke article 11 of the Convention.

65. Mr. YUTZIS said that the problem of a State party discussing the human rights situation in another State party had arisen very rarely. He considered that the draft recommendation could be made both simpler and more positive in tone and proposed that it might read:

66. Mr. FERRERO COSTA and Mr. de GOUTTES said that they supported the proposal by Mr. Yutzis.

67. Mr. DIACONU said that, if the Committee wished to adopt Mr. Yutzis' proposal, he had two amendments to suggest. In paragraph 1, it should be made clear that the reports of States parties were submitted to the Committee, through the Secretary-General, rather than the other way around. Secondly, although Mr. Yutzis' proposal placed the main emphasis on article 11 of the Convention, he thought that it should remind States parties of their obligations under article 9. He therefore suggested that paragraph 3 should read: "For this reason, the Committee wishes to remind States parties of the provisions of article 9 concerning the contents of reports, as well as the existence of article 11, which is, procedurally speaking, the only means available ...".

68. Mr. FERRERO COSTA suggested the following wording for paragraph 1: "... to submit to the Secretary-General of the United Nations, for the consideration of the Committee ...". The text of paragraph 3 should read: "... the contents of reports, as well as the provisions of article 11 ...".

69. Mr. WOLFRUM said that, all along, he had wanted to view the issue from the perspective of article 11, rather than article 9, so he welcomed Mr. Yutzis' proposal, with the amendments suggested by Mr. Diaconu. Paragraph 3 might be amended to read: "... the contents of reports, while bearing in mind the provisions of article 11 ...".

70. Mr. RECHETOV said that the draft recommendation tried to combine two entirely different ideas. Mr. Diaconu had wished to discourage States parties from discussing the human rights situation in other States by reminding them of their obligations under article 9 of the Convention. The Committee knew which State party he had had in mind. Because of other members' misgivings, Mr. Diaconu had introduced the reference to article 11, which dealt with an entirely different procedure. Moreover, article 11 covered only the case where one State party wished to condemn the situation in another State, when the comments made might not be critical at all. Both articles were important, but, in his view, they did not belong together in the same general recommendation.

71. The CHAIRMAN suggested that Mr. Yutzis and Mr. Diaconu might prepare a compromise text which the Committee could adopt at its next meeting.

72. Mr. de GOUTTES said he agreed with Mr. Rechetov that the text contained two different proposals, one on article 9 of the Convention and the other on article 11: however, there was no reason why the two proposals should not be combined. That would not be incompatible with a separate recommendation focusing on article 11.

73. The CHAIRMAN suggested that Mr. Diaconu and Mr. Yutzis should prepare a combined text for adoption the following day. Mr. de Gouttes and Mr. Rechetov might also prepare a text focusing exclusively on article 11.

74. It was so decided.

Draft decision on the human rights situation in Burundi, Rwanda and Papua New Guinea

75. Mr. BANTON introduced the draft decision, which read:

76. He asked the Secretary of the Committee to explain what effects that decision would have from the administrative point of view.

77. Mr. JOHNSON (Secretary of the Committee) said that the last sentence of the decision was to be understood as requesting the Secretariat of the Centre for Human Rights to inquire about information that might be available on the human rights situation in those countries. Such information could be derived from the documentation of the Commission on Human Rights and also from material that had been submitted to treaty monitoring bodies under other conventions.

78. Mr. LAMPTEY said he did not think that the draft decision was either necessary or proper. The Committee's sole task under the Convention was to consider situations in countries on the basis of reports by States parties.

79. The Committee had already decided that, when countries did not respond to its requests for information, as in the case of Mozambique, its procedure would be to consider previous reports, together with material from other sources. However, taking account of reports submitted to other human rights bodies might lead to problems with the State party. The Committee's proper function was to cooperate with States parties in eliminating racial discrimination.

80. Just as State parties had freely assumed their obligations under the Convention, so were they free to renounce those obligations at any time, and that would hardly help to achieve the Committee's objectives. All the Committee needed to do was to agree to consider the reports of the three Governments concerned at its next session, if they had been received by then. The country rapporteurs could help the Secretariat obtain the necessary

documentation.

81. Mr. WOLFRUM said he did not fully understand those objections. Mr. Lamptey had himself agreed that the Committee could, under its own rules of procedure, discuss the situation in the countries concerned on the basis of previous reports and, in so doing, could use not only official material, but material from other sources. All the draft decision was doing was to ensure that there was sufficient information on which to assess those reports.

82. The three countries concerned had not cooperated with the Committee and he did not see why they should receive different treatment than Mozambique and Jamaica.

83. Mr. BANTON said that he would have no objection if the Committee did not adopt the draft decision, provided that it agreed to include the consideration of the last available reports of the three States parties in the agenda for its next session. Those States should be notified of the Committee's intention, using the format normally adopted in cases of non-reporting States, and should be invited to submit reports in the interim and to be present when those reports were considered.

84. Mr. YUTZIS said that the members of the Committee evidently disagreed on how article 9 (2) of the Convention, which stated that recommendations could be based on "information received from the States parties", was to be interpreted. It might be useful to draft a general recommendation on the subject.

85. He himself could support the draft decision in principle.

86. Mr. de GOUTTES pointed out that there were two other draft decisions, to be considered on the former Yugoslavia. The adoption of those two decisions before the end of the session was a matter of urgency, particularly since the Committee had agreed to consider the possibility of preventive measures under article 9 (1).

87. Another matter of priority was the text concerning the case of Mr. Vidas, introduced earlier: that case was significant as an example of discrimination based on ethnic origin.

88. Mr. WOLFRUM supported by Mr. SONG Shuhua, proposed that the Committee should adopt Mr. Banton's suggestion that, instead of adopting the draft decision, it should agree to discuss the last available reports of the three States parties concerned at its next session.

89. It was so decided.

Draft decisions on the former Yugoslavia

90. The CHAIRMAN drew attention to the draft decision submitted by Mr. Rechetov, which read:

91. He then drew attention to the draft decision proposed by Mr. Aboul-Nasr, Mr. Banton, Mr. Garvalov, Mr. van Boven, Mr. Wolfrum and Mr. de Gouttes, which read:

92. Mr. DIACONU asked whether the sponsors of the two draft decisions could not agree to combine them into a single text.

93. Mr. RECHETOV said he could accept a combined text. He suggested that, in the decision he had proposed, the words "within their territories" at the end of the first paragraph should be deleted.

94. Mr. de GOUTTES said that he could agree that a reference to Croatia and Slovenia should be added to the text of the second draft decision.

95. Mr. RECHETOV pointed out that, since the Committee was requesting information from all successor States to the former Yugoslavia, it was important that the text adopted should include a reference to Bosnia and Herzegovina.

96. Mr. FERRERO COSTA said he agreed that the two texts needed to be brought into line, but he was not sure whether there had in fact been any reports of ethnic conflicts in Slovenia. He feared that to request information from all the Republics that had belonged to the former Yugoslavia without distinction might water down the central issue facing the Committee, which was the ethnic cleansing reported to be taking place in Serbia and Croatia.

97. Mr. WOLFRUM proposed that the beginning of the second draft decision should be amended to read: "In view of recent reports of ethnic conflict within the territory of the former Yugoslavia ...". The end of the paragraph would read: "... requests further information by 31 July 1993 from the Governments of the former Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro), Croatia and Slovenia on the implementation of the Convention within their territories".

98. The text could then continue with the second paragraph of the first draft decision, with the wording brought into line with that of the recommendation already adopted on the subject and with the addition of the words "if possible".

99. Mr. RECHETOV said the he could accept that suggestion.

100. Mr. FERRERO COSTA pointed out that the wording should be brought into line with article 3 of the Convention, which used the phrase "territories under their jurisdiction" rather than "their territories". That distinction was an important one.

101. Mr. WOLFRUM said that he had intended to use that wording.

102. Mr. SHAHI noted that the first part of the proposed text used the words "the former Yugoslavia", but later referred to "the Republic of Yugoslavia"; the texts should be made consistent.

103. In his view, it would be too much in the present circumstances to expect the Government of Bosnia and Herzegovina to be in a position to provide information, but he could accept the text if the words "if possible" were included.

104. The CHAIRMAN suggested that a small working group consisting of Mr. Yutzis, Mr. Rechetov, Mr. Diaconu, Mr. Ferrero Costa, Mr. Wolfrum and Mr. de Gouttes should be set up to prepare a revised text for adoption the following day.

105. He further suggested that Mr. Shahi should be designated to monitor the work of the fourth session of the Preparatory Committee for the World Conference on Human Rights.

106. It was so decided.


The meeting rose at 6.10 p.m.

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