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TheCommitteeagainstTortureconsideredthesupplementaryreport   ofEgypt(CAT/C/17/Add.11)atits162nd,163rdand170thmeetingson   12and18November1993andadoptedthefollowingconclusions:} b#b# 0 b  b#b# @ss,I.Introduction  7  0 b 2. TheCommitteethanksEgyptforitsreportandthewrittenreplies  tothequestionsraisedbythemembersoftheCommitteeduringits ` considerationoftheStateparty'sinitialreport(CAT/C/5/Add.23).'Sb#b# 0 b 3. ItwelcomesthewillingnessoftheGovernmentofEgypttocontinue  thedialoguewiththeCommittee,asshownbythepresenceofalarge | highleveldelegation,whichitthanksfortherepliesthatitgaveto Co itsquestions. 6b#b# 0 b 4. Itneverthelessdeploresthefactthatthereportwasnotprepared  inaccordancewiththegeneralguidelinesadoptedbytheCommittee _ (CAT/C/14)andthefactthattheinformationdoesnotfollowthesequence &R ofarticles2to16oftheConvention.Althoughthereportcontainsa  wealthofinformationonlegislation,withanaccompanyingannexinwhich   thearticlesoftheConventionarecomparedwithsomearticlesofthe {! Constitutionandthoseofotherlegislativeprovisions,itprovidesvery Bn" littleinformationontheapplicationoftheConventioninpractice,even  5# thoughtherepresentativeoftheStategaveotheradditionalinformation  $ inhisoralintroduction.!%b#b# 0 b 5. ItalsodeploresthefactthattherepliesgivenbytheEgyptian %#Q' delegationwereoftenmoregeneralthanspecific.#(b#b# 0 b 6. TheCommitteeconsidersthatitwouldhavebeenparticularlyuseful z% * foradditionalinformationtohavebeenmadeavailable,including A&m!+ statisticsoninvestigationsintoallegationsoftorture,legal '4", proceedingsandsentenceshandeddownagainstpersonsresponsiblefor '"- actsoftortureandilltreatment.(#.b#b# 0 b 7. TheCommitteethankstheStatepartyforthecoredocument $*P%0 (HRI/CORE/1/Add.19),whichwaspreparedinaccordancewiththe *&1 consolidatedguidelinesfortheinitialpartofreportsofStatesparties +&2  tobesubmittedunderthevariousinternationalhumanrightsinstruments.y,'3b#b# 0 b 8. TheCommitteeregretsthatsomedocumentsandinformationon   statisticaldataneededforapracticalunderstandingofthereportwere  notannexedtothereportatthetimeofitssubmissionandwerenot b distributedtothemembersoftheCommitteeuntilduringthe )U 162ndmeeting.b#b# 0 b @yy*b#b#II.Positiveaspects ~  0 b 9. TheCommitteenoteswithsatisfactionthatthereneweddialogue  8 withtheStatepartyhasenabledittoassesstheextenttowhich    domesticlegislationisinkeepingwiththeprovisionsoftheConvention,    aswellasthefactorsanddifficultiesimpedingtheirapplication.a  b#b# 0 b 10. Italsonotesthat,ingeneral,thelegalsituationis   satisfactory,insofaraspersonsawaitingtrialandtheEgyptianpeople   seemtohaveconfidenceintheordinarylawcourts.} b#b# 0 b 11. Itwelcomesthefactthatnongovernmentalorganizationsactivein  7  thefieldofhumanrightshavetheopportunitytoexpressthemselves   freelyandtovisitcertainplacesofdetention.b#b# 0 b @ b#b#III.Factorsanddifficultiesimpedingtheapplication 'S . . . oftheprovisionsoftheConvention  0 b 12. TheCommitteenotesthatthestateofemergencyproclaimedinEgypt | withoutinterruptionsince1981isoneofthemainobstaclestothefull Co applicationoftheprovisionsoftheConvention. 6b#b# @ #IV.Principalsubjectsofconcern  0 b 13. Inthelightofconcordantandspecificinformationreceivedfroma &R numberofreliablenongovernmentalorganizationsandfromtheSpecial  RapporteuroftheUnitedNationsCommissiononHumanRightstoexamine   questionsrelevanttotorture,theCommitteeisconcernedaboutthefact {! thattortureisapparentlystillwidespreadinEgypt.Bn"b#b# 0 b 14. TheCommitteeisalsoconcernedaboutshortcomingsinsuitable  $ preventivemeasurestocombattorture,includingthelengthand !% conditionsofpolicecustodyandadministrativedetentionandtheslow ^"& paceoftrialsofpersonsresponsibleforactsoftortureor %#Q' ill-treatment.#(b#b# 0 b 15. ItisalsoconcernedabouttheexistenceinEgyptofmanyspecial z% * courts,suchasthemilitarycourtswhosefunctioningwouldsuggestthat A&m!+ theyaresubordinatetotheheadoftheexecutivebranch,sincesome '4", provisionsoftheActontheStateofEmergencyauthorizethePresident '"- oftheRepublictorefercasestotheStatesecuritycourtsandto (#. approvethedecisionshandeddown.])$/b#b# 0 b 16. Awarethat,inrecentyears,terrorismhascreatedadisturbingand *&1 alarmingsituationinEgyptandmindfulofthefactthatitisthe +&2 Government'sresponsibilitytocombatterrorisminordertomaintainlaw y,'3 andorder,theCommitteeneverthelessnotesthatthedifferentmeasures @-l(4 takenortobetakenforthatpurposemustneverresultinnon-compliance  withtheConventionbytheStatepartyorinanycasejustifytorture.  Itshouldberecalledinthatrespectthat,underarticle2,no b exceptionalcircumstanceswhatsoever,whetherastateofwarorathreat )U ofwar,internalpoliticalstability,anorderfromasuperiorofficeror  apublicauthorityoranyotherpublicemergency,maybeinvokedasa  justificationoftorture.~ b#b# @ #V.Suggestionsandrecommendations  8 0 b 17. TheCommitteesuggeststhattheStatepartyshouldprovideinits    penallegislationforallformsoftorture,fullyincorporatingall a   elementsofthedefinitioncontainedinarticle1oftheConvention.(T b#b# 0 b 18. TheCommitteealsosuggeststhattheStatepartyshouldincludein   itsnextperiodicreport,whichisduein1996,allthedetailsand }  informationrelatingtothemanyquestionsandinquirieswhichwerenot Dp  answeredduringthediscussion. 7 b#b# 0 b 19. TheCommitteealsosuggeststhattheStatepartyshouldestablish  machineryforasystematicreviewofinterrogationrules,methodsand ` practices,particularlyinpolicepremises,inordertohonourits 'S commitmentsunderarticle11oftheConvention.b#b# 0 b 20. ItrecommendsthattheGovernmentofEgyptshouldcontinueits | effortstointroduceotherreformstopenallegislation,particularly Co withregardtotheexcessivepowersgrantedtotheexecutivebycertain  6 legislativeprovisionsandthelengthandconditionsofpolicecustody  andadministrativedetention.b#b# 0 b 21. TheCommitteerecommendsthat,whilepayingparticularattentionto &R theprotectionoftherightsofpersonsarrestedanddetained,theState  partyshouldintensifytheeducational,trainingandinformation   programmesprovidedforinarticle10oftheConvention,forallthe {! officialsconcerned.Bn"b#b# 0 b 22. TheCommitteerecommendsthattheEgyptianauthoritiesshould  $ undertakeandexpediteseriousinvestigationsintotheconductofthe !% policeforcesinordertoestablishthetruthofmanyallegationsofacts ^"& oftortureand,iftheresultsoftheinvestigationsarepositive,bring %#Q' thepersonsresponsiblebeforethecourtsandissueandtransmittothe #( policespecificandclearinstructionsdesignedtoprohibitanyactof $) torture.z% *b#b# 0 b 23. TheCommittee,whichappreciatestheratificationbyEgyptofmost '4", humanrightsCovenantsandConventions,hopesthattheEgyptian '"- Governmentwillrespondfavourablytothesesuggestionsand (#. recommendationsandthatitwillsparenoefforttoputtheminto ])$/ practice."  $*P%0b#b#   *&1 &     3. b Mr.ZAHRAN(Egypt)saidthathehadtakenduenoteoftheCountry  Rapporteur'sstatement.Hewouldliketomakehisownpreliminarycommentson  theCommittee'srecommendationsandconclusions.Egyptwouldcommunicateits b detailedrepliestotheCommitteeatalaterdate.Hepointedoutthat,at )U '9the163rdmeeting,hisdelegationhadsparednoefforttoreplytothe  Committee'squestions,requestsforclarificationandcommentsonthereport.  4. b ReferringtothecommentmadebyMr.SorensenthatEgypthadaccepted E q assistancefromaDanishorganizationinsettingupacentreforthe  8 rehabilitationoftorturevictims,hesaidthathehadcheckedwithhis    GovernmentinCairoandcouldconfirmthatnosuchcentreexisted.Norhad    thereeverbeenanycoordinationbetweenEgyptandDenmarkonsuchaproject. a   Inactualfact,theDanishorganizationconcernedhadprovidedassistanceto (T  anEgyptiancompanyintheprivatesector,aspartofthatcompany'spersonal   efforttohelpthevictimsofterroristviolence,ofwhichEgyptwascurrently   thetarget.  }  5. b Hewassurprisedthat,initsconclusions,theCommitteehaddeploredthe  7  lackofsufficientinformationandstatistics.Hisdelegationhaddoneits   verybesttosubmitalldataandinformationoncasesoftorturebothinits  reportandinitsstatementsatthe162ndand163rdmeetings,andithad ` clearlyemergedthatEgyptdidnottoleratetortureandthattheConvention 'S againstTorturewasanintegralpartofEgyptianlegislation.Everycaseof  allegedtorturehadbeenbroughttotheattentionoftheauthorities;persons  foundguiltyofcommittingtortureweregivenprisonsentencesand | compensationwaspaid.Thus,theconclusionswerewrongtomaintainthat Co torturewaswidespreadinEgypt.  6 6. b Furthermore,thestateofemergencyinEgyptwasnotanobstacletothe  applicationoftheprovisionsoftheConvention.Thestateofemergencyhad _ beendeclaredinordertocombatterrorism,butthatdidnotmeanthattorture &R wasjustified.Terrorismwasaphenomenonthatwasoccurringinmany  countries,includinginEurope,butthatdidnotsuggestthattorturewas   tolerated. {! 7. b Withregardtomilitarycourts,certaincriminalswhohadcommitted  5# terroristactshadbeentriedbeforethosebodies,butthatdidnotimplythat  $ such b courtsimpededtheexerciseoffundamentalfreedoms,includingtheright !% tolife.Onthecontrary,itwasterrorismitselfthatwasaformoftorture. ^"& 8. b HisdelegationwelcomedtheclosetiesofcooperationwiththeCommittee #( becauseitwasimportanttojoineffortstoeradicatetorture,whereverit $) occurred.Egyptwasworkingwithnongovernmentalorganizationstothatend z% * andwouldcontinuetodosoinfuture. A&m!+ 9. b ItwastobehopedthattheCommittee'sreportwouldreflectnotonly '"- allegations,butalsotherepliesofGovernmentstothem.Whenacomplaint (#. wasreceived,itsveracityhadtobedetermined.Infuture,theCommittee ])$/ mustendeavourtoproducemoreneutralconclusions. $*P%0 10. b HisGovernmentlookedforwardtopursuingitsdialoguewiththe +&2 Committee. y,'3  @-l(4 11. b TheCHAIRMANsaidthathewasconvincedthattheCommittee'sfruitful  dialoguewithEgyptwouldcontinue.  12. b Mr.ZahranandMr.Bebars(Egypt)withdrew. )U WORLDCONFERENCEONHUMANRIGHTS(agendaitem7)  13. b Mr.SORENSENsaidthattheWorldConferenceonHumanRights,hadtaken E q placeinViennafrom14to25June1993,25yearsafterthefirstsuchWorld  8 ConferenceinTehran.Over1,000nongovernmentalorganizationshad    participatedandvirtuallyallStateshadbeenrepresented.Theplenaryhad    beenpresidedoverbytheAustrianMinisterforForeignAffairsandspeakers a   hadincludedtheSecretaryGeneraloftheUnitedNationsandmanyMinisters (T  forForeignAffairsandHeadsofState.Manyhumanrightstreatybodieshad   alsotakenpart.Specialmeetingshadtakenplacebetweenthetreatybodies   whichhadledtoverypositiveresultsandvariousmeetingsinvolving }  non-governmentalorganizationshadbeenheld,includinganimportantmeeting Dp  ontheissueoftorture.  7  14. b OfparticularsignificancefromtheCommittee'spointofviewwasthe  factthatithadachieveditsgoalofhavingachapterontheissueoftorture ` includedintheViennaDeclaration,therebyputtingtorturefinallyonthe 'S humanrightsagenda.Indeed,thedraftDeclarationproducedbytheDrafting  Committee,whichhadbeenbasedonworkingpaperspreparedinpreliminary  committeemeetingsandatregionalconferences,containedalltheitemswhich | theCommitteehadwantedtohaveincludedandhadfinallybeenadoptedby Co consensusby160countries.Assuch,itcouldberegardedashaving  6 considerableweight.Itsetoutclearprioritiesinunambiguouslanguageand  includedaspecificprogrammeofactionwhichnowneededtobeimplemented.  15. b Therefollowedaslidepresentationontorture. &R @Y Y "Thepublicmeetingroseat11.15a.m.